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Ok, so where does it say the government removes your liberties by entering the free market. Thats what I meant and thats what my comment was about. The patriot act is a completely different argument. What was said is that if government steps into the free market, your liberties will come next. My argument is that government has done this all of the time, and hasn't done anything to your liberties in the process, and has shown a profit in the end. The patriot act is a post 9/11 law that surely hurts your liberties(i dont deny this), but show me this in context to the free market. And don't talk about the Feds....but rather show me something that proves the government has removed your liberties, specifically, by intervening in the free market to buy up debt in a move to preserve the economy
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First let us define liberty:
1) autonomy: immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence
2) Personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression
You pose the question "Ok, so where does it say the government removes your liberties by entering the free market?"
As soon as the government "enters" the free market, it ceases to be free! First infringement on our liberty.
You stated that "the government has done this all of the time, and hasn't done anything to your liberties, and has shown a profit in the end"
Every time that the government has done this our liberties HAVE been compromised. I know of no instance of the government profiting from oppressive socialit and fascist bailouts...?
To the contrary, every time that the government intervenes by artificially propping up markets, that creates inflation. When the Fed adds liquidity to the Market, that increases inflation, which devalues the dollar. Ben Bernacke recently admitted while being questioned by Ron Paul that inflation is a tax. A tax is when the government reaches into your pocket. Unapportioned taxes and taxation without true representation is unconstitutional. If an act or a law is unconstitutional, then that encroaches on your liberties protected under the Constitution. If you artificially prop up markets with taxpayer dollars, that increases inflation and further devalues the very dollars that we all work hard to earn. When you do that without our permission that is an oppressive abuse of power. When you nationalize corporate debt, which is exactly what we are talking about with these bailouts, that is FASCISM. Is that not encroaching on my Liberty? It is not about percentages, 1% is too much. There is no acceptable level of oppression. It is the principle of the matter.. .
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Benjamin Franklin
You and Me : "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
20th century history 101:
The Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel, not part of the Federal Government.
The same criminals that gave us the Federal Reserve, gave us the 16th Amendment to the (often disregarded) Constitution, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and ultimately the United Nations.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." - Admiral Chester Ward - Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy
"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." - Harpers, July l958
McCain and both Obamas are CFR, Biden is CFR, Hank Paulson, Condoleeza, Bernacke, Cheney, Gingrich, Dodd, Stephanopolis, Powell, George herbert Walker Bush, both Clintons, Nixon, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, how many more do you need?
Go to www.trueworldhistory.info and watch the first 2 videos…
We are witnessing the greatest consolidation of power in history. So what is the solution? Let's elect candidates who do not not bow to conform to the Communist views of the power elite, aka the private Federal Reserve System, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the United Nations (founded by Communists for the proliferation of one world government, aka Globalization or New World Order). Unfortunately, our servant government has become the master, and “We the People” are now “We the Serfs”. Let’s join forces with Dr. Paul and give this country the dose of medicine it really needs. Abolish the Fed, NAFTA, the UN, WTO and let truly free markets and FREEDOM reign supreme! Write in Ron Paul vote 3rd party if you value Liberty.
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